Belgian shotgun date codes Example: 00001H37 = A 1973 Citori 12 ga. We just received this lovely example along with about 200 other guns, from a collection that sat in an attic for close to 100 years. An example and discussion of a Sweet Y gun is featured on p. 2k Gender: Male Location: Baytown,Texas Interests: My wife and grand kids and my kids. 410 were marked Sometime after 1928 the month code was changed to a 6-digit code word that changed every 6 months so the month codes cannot be decoded after 1928. browning belgian a5 light twelve 1972 12 gauge description: this is a belgian browning a5 light twelve semi-auto shotgun. 8K Here is the sheet with the Belgian Dates of Proof Codes. A5guy. If you can't disassemble it and reassemble it then you shouldn't be allowed to fire it ! I've been on the Browning Site to find the date of manufacture but this serial number does not seem to be covered. Belgian Shotgun Identification The Banc d'Epreuves de Liege proved 233,526 double barrel smoothbore guns in 1889, the majority for export. Really. 3 mm which converts to about 0. I guess I overlooked the find the date/make page. On the receiver there are three marks that confuse me, they are: what is either a '0' in a box or a poorly stamped delta, the Belgian date code for 1951; and a number in a box that appears to be a 1 on top of a 2 or a 1 on top of a delta. The date code was marked only on the end flap of the shipping box. Example: 69G1000 = A 1969 Auto-5 Lightweight 12 ga. Remington resumed stamping the date code on the barrel on 10/1/01. The serial number coding system changed to the serial number preceding the date code. I love The people I have gotten to meet in sass and the ones that have just talked to on the wire. Unfortunately I don't see a Date Code. Come join the discussion about optics Members; 8. Year of production seems to be 1960, as the Greek date code letter τ ("tau") is present right to "0 kg 890". The story goes, My great-grandfather was at the range and had a double-barrel shotgun, couldn't hit anything, and another woman was at the range with the A5 and couldn't hit anything either. Can I date a Browning shotgun using its barrel code? Yes, Browning uses barrel codes that can help date shotguns manufactured after 1968. Attachments. Please see my post in the "I Love My Classic Shotgun" forum. The judicious use of some 0000 steel wool and a light oil (3 in 1 type, etc. . com) DamascusKnowledge www. 1957 Belgian Shotgun Identification The Banc d'Epreuves de Liege proved 233,526 double barrel smoothbore guns in 1889, the majority for export. This is an Antique double barrel hammer Shotgun, with 30" barrels dated Shotgun World General Forums. help!!! I need a Belgian I'd and date stat. The barrel lug on mine and most I have seen is silver. C30, as in the sample below, indicates 30 inch Chain Belgian "Zulu" Shotgun 12 Gauge 33" Shotgun Serial number 230. Dec 9, 2012 #3 This works with Belgian arms Browning Semi-Automatic Five Shotgun (A-5) F. F. Only Remington can give an owner a DOM for a gun from this era, that carries no date code - via the gun's serial number. 'Nolite te Bastardes Carborundorum' Don Tucker, Paint To find the year of proof of your (Post 1975) Browning or Miroku shotgun you’ll need to find the Serial Number. Has the satin wood stock and blued bbl , 28" , 12-ga. Incluye las marcas de prueba para diferentes tipos de armas de fuego, como escopetas, pistolas y revólveres, así como el significado de cada marca y el período de tiempo en el que se utilizó. In the Serial number there are two letters together – This is your date code. 4M posts I am trying to figure out dates, but am told that the 2 letter sequence I found on the barrel, near the receiver, isn't a valid Date Code for High Standard Shotguns. com) Janssen Fils Nouvelle page 0 (littlegun. The gun is probably fine as far as quality goes and probably a lot better than a lot of $1000. So if yours reads “7V9” that would be the 9th Magnum manufactured in 1967. Among the proof marks there is a date code we could use to date your gun, but since 1958 the year has become part of the serial number. We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. g. On barrel action of breech loading shotgun after the gun has passed proof with semi-smokeless powder . There were other guns with the name Hanover Arms Co Belgian Fine Damascus and Hanover Arms Co 71 made by the same company. I looked through the Belgian Proof mark sticky and found a bit of information, Start date Oct 27, 2019; K. French. Verifying that the proof date code indicates a date falling within the period of the inspector's employment, as listed below, will help corroborate the correct identification of that date code. It has the perron, the stylized E over L for barrel proof, and the oval with crown and ELG inside. Hi all- I was hoping someone could help me date my Light 12 the number on the back of the receiver reads as followed 1G and below that is 33899. Sample photos of their layouts are at the bottom of the page. I have one (1946) with a choke code #15. 0 Reply. shotgun with a serial number of 00001. in pristine condition, definitely bearing only Belgian origin markings, but there is a dilemna. Date your Browning. Save Share Mike, none of the marks you show are the date code. It is a Janssen Sons & Co Shotgun, Belgian guns after 1922 carry a date code. According to the above links, great information by sauerfan, the only Belgian date code mark is ξ as far as I could find. , cont. Nothing about a modified (**) fixed choke barrel like mine. My dad wants to pass down a shotgun that has been in the family for some time, The date code is 'h' for 1929 The chambers are 70 mm = 2 3/4" 'DF' but no bow You might look through here and see if you can find the mark Nouvelle page 0 The N in the shield is not a Belgian proof mark and has been stamped over the Belgian marks. Z: 1: Y: 2: X: 3: W: 4: V: 5: T: 6: R: 7: P: 8: N: 9: M: 0: Thus, a gun with PN in the serial number was made in 1989. The first one or (if post 1967) two digits are the year, followed by a “V”, then the serial number. Almost certainly no later than mid-1914. This 12 ga. I love the hugs I get and the ones I will get when I meet some on you people. Shotgun ID & Value Belgian A-5 Mfg Belgian A-5 Mfg. The date Dating pin-fire guns: the 1835 date of Lefaucheux’s invention gives us a convenient terminus a quo: if the pin-fire wasn’t invented until 1835, any pin-fire gun cannot be earlier than 1835. . be) A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. (Inspectors' letters were not used at all during the period 1968 - 1973. I do know it’s not the date code, or the choke. 2F=28 gauge for the year 1962. Prior to this (1959) the 28 and . ie: S-12 , V-20 , F-28 , J-. Serial began with 1000 - 99999 followed by the model code 221 Sweet Sixteen and 171 Superlight 16 and two letter year( T=6, R=7, P=8). Learn here how to find the date your Browning firearm was manufactured by using the serial number found on your gun. Amongst proof marks are codes enabling one to determine the date of manufacture of many guns. No takers so far. :wink: No serial number needed. Save Share The serial number coding system changed to the serial number preceding the date code. The format for the code reverted to L##L with the form Year (half)-Day-Month. / MADE IN BELGIUM” and with a series of Belgian proofs and “**- SPECIAL STEEL-20 GAUGE-SHELLS 2 3/4″”. I guess this would indicate 1956? Did not find any info on what the B prefix means or decipher the ser# B25334 thanks J. & MONTREAL P. according to serial number, the manufactured date was in 1972. jpg. Also it's not shown on the FRANCHIs' website either . Their health and their love. - 2 1/2, which I believe indicates 2 1/2 inch cartridges. com Save Share Reply Quote Like. They represent the following: RV - 1975, RT - 1976, RR - 1977, RP - 1978, RN - 1979, PM - 1980, PZ - 1981, PY - The date codes are a good source for checking a manufacturing date, while the data given in SV is sometimes vague (what’s not SV’s fault ! There seem to be huge gaps in FN’s records). The number is clearly stamped on the receiver just forward of the loading port and again on the locating ring on the barrel. Later the code was changed to J=both gauges This was then followed by the serial number beginning with 00001. N=20ga. (un blued) The Numrich barrel lug was blued. The Controller of Proof, a government official, Lambert Alexandre was active from 1927 to 1953. And just to confuse things, I'll mention that FN used a fiscal year that didn't coincide with the calendar. 00 priced SxS's today. Post 1958 manufacture dates. I find one old belgian double-barrels shotgun, but can't understend the name of the gunsmith. Explore the history and legacy of the Browning Auto-5, a groundbreaking semi-automatic shotgun designed by John Browning. 1 Yes, I believe this gun was made by Pieper, or as mentioned, whoever took over at a later date. (ELG stamp). Griz44Mag 70 Cal. 306 posts · Joined 2005 Add to Shotgun Forum. Go to http//www. 410 Side by Side double barrel shotgun with hold open top lever opening. So the date code looks like a "b" tilted backward 45 degrees. Need some help from a Belgian A5 expert! I've located an A5 16 ga. In addition to the Belgian Browning serialization listed in the back of this text, the following codes will determine the year and origin of those guns made from 1975 to date. G*1 is the date code for 1961 'MA' is the maker's code for Julian Amuategui. Nothing in that certificate or ad indicates a Belgian mfg though. I have what I believe is an old Belgian 12 gauge single barrel shotgun and would love more info on it. So 1922. see Browning Website 1976 1000 221 RT - Sweet Sixteen 1000 171 RT - Superlight Sixteen 1978 1000 221 RP - Sweet Sixteen 1987 Shotgun markings explained. If you drop admin reload you can only get one power swap, then have to As Patriot has mentioned, the rust may be covering a date code. So yes, it could be over 150 years old. B. If your gun does not end in 221, it is not a Sweet 16 shotgun. The bore is 18. But- there is an S with a * above it which indicates it was proofed after 1952 according to the controller of proof codes. I have this old pistol and I am trying to figure out it's origin and date. Now I'm thinking of selling to help fund a different shotgun I'm after (I As for dating this gun, the date code on the barrel may be the most reliable source. Supporter. Italy and Spain both build date codes in the proof information stamped on their guns. This fine little Belgian guild gun shows “f” 1927 date codes on the undersides of the barrels along with standard Belgian smokeless proofs. I do like to shoot and pick on people at the shoot. The origin of this shotgun is an interesting one. With a full size high resolution image of the barrel flats and just forward of the flats we could date the gun, but likely pre-1900 Your 2 cents are dangerous, as is the gun. Reading my Belgian SxS shotgun proofs The Harley 16 C" gauge mark, your no 7, was used from 1898 til 1924. com) No, the XVII is not a Belgian date code. If nothing sticks to teflon then how does teflon stick to the pan? Save Share I have a Belgian 16 gauge browning, serial 109499. My friend and I found a little conflicting info and had a hard time with some specifics. date? Jump to Latest 474 views 6 replies 3 participants last post by albanygun Nov 22, 2007. I’ve read about date identifying letter codes but my shotgun has no such letters. 1891-> Belgian date codes. The date code will be something like the G*1 on this gun. Its a Belgian made . I was recently very fortunate to be able to purchase a beautiful Belgian Magnum Twenty from a gent selling it as part of relatives estate. E. V & S 's book on the Belgian Production of A5's page 62 has a list of Mr. Unfortunately codes indicating the model and special features did not begin until 1966. 4M posts 156K members Since 2000 A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. Rob Posted: 10/18 Picked up an interesting Belgian single-shot "poacher" . Q. For example, my M4 manufactured in 2020 has the code "CZ". Enter your Browning/Miroku date code in the box below and click SEARCH! Search. I found a date code chart which will make it easy to find the date of your gun. Shotgun ID & Value Belgian Boxlock. Makers - Darne, Merkel, Arrieta, Beretta, Browning, Holland, Purdey, Richards, Bernardelli, Parker, Fox, LC Smith, and most other double barreled shotgun, gun and double Proof date code a. Can I use the date code to determine the specific model of my Benelli shotgun? No, the date code only indicates the month and year of I would date your shotgun sometime after 1850 when the popularity of the back action lock really took off and through the 1870's after which cartridge guns became more common. Now, about the name "Habicht-Pieper". 2S=12 gauge for the year 1962, Example: 6556S2 = A 1962 Superposed 12 ga. the metal is excellent and the wood is very good to excellent. Example: A08A2205252 The date code would be A08A or 8th day of some month in the first half of 1930. Dating a gun before 1922 takes a bit of knowledge about proof marks. If you can help that would be amazing. Serial began with 1000 – 99999 followed by the model code 221 Sweet Sixteen and 171 Superlight 16 and two letter year(R=7, T=6, P=. I am even more confused about the manufacture date because according to the link: 1 stamp on it says "used until 1924" while another stamp on it says "used from 1924 to present" Vintage Belgian Shotgun I have been doing research on this gun to identify it's date of manufacture, variation number, etc. 10297 posts · Joined 2004 Add to quote; Only show this Proof Date Codes Can one of our forum moderators perhaps make this a sticky post is this applicable to all proof marks, rifle and shotgun? Alex . Bob . 410 bore: 1969-75 With regards to the date code , Browning initiated the alpha numeric code in September of 1962 for the 12 & 20. The SN is 5 digit 32xxx with no prefix. However, there is a little bit of a story with this gun. Use the photos to show you where to find the code on your shotgun, then it's a simple look up on our grid. Proof Mark Valid Proof House Type of Proof 1924-> Liege On barrel action of breech loading shotgun after the Mine clearly has the standard Belgian "Liege" proof mark and a "mu" or "script u" date of proof code (which should be 1955 even though the gun doesn't look anything like that old). Kerry says: 8 October 2022 at 10:14. To find where your serial number is located, you will need to refer to your owner's manual. Markings: The left side of the barrel is marked “BROWNING ARMS COMPANY ST LOUIS Mo. Any Belgian experts here? Unfortunately I do not have pictures. Most early Browning serial numbers contained no date or model information and can not be dated using this system. 1968-76 In 1969 Browning started using two digits for the date of manufacture which was followed by a four digit code that identified the type of Auto-5: M=standard weight G=light weight This was then followed by the serial number beginning with 1000. Corresponds with inspector's date of employment. No crown, then before that date. Things had I checked the date code on the guns and was interested to see "20" on about half of them and "21" on the other half (meaning, I guess, manufactured in 2020 and 2021). Hey all. Can you tell me more about this? Hi, Your gun is of Belgian origin. So, you have a Belgian shotgun, probably made in 1955, with 2 3/4 chambers and nitro proofed for modern shells. AH elite. But I'm not sure if that means that a gun marked 1960 could actually have been made in 1959 or 1961. The date code seems to be a cursive Greek letter "Lambda" which makes this gun date to 1954, if I am reading correctly. Example: Serial number 151RT1234 . 410. The "Belgium" stamp indicates a date after one of the US tariff acts (mid-1890s, can't recall exact date - 1894 or 1896, I think) that required nation of origin markings on imported items In 1969 Browning started using two digits for the date of manufacture which was followed by a four digit code that identified the type of Auto-5: M=standard weight G=light weight This was then followed by the serial number beginning with 1000. - Ben Franklin. 128. Shoots Belgian swaps gets boost shoots tac til it’s low switches, gets power swap, shoots Belgian, swaps gets boost, repeat. Joined Aug 6, 2009 · 522 Posts #829 Shotgun Forum. 34-35 of this guide. Nearest seems to be 1953/54. This article provides detailed serial number tables, production dates, and features of this iconic firearm. serial #9736, 410 bore (2 3/4”), 27 1/2” barrels choked cylinder in both with bright near excellent bores. Shotgun ID & Value Belgian Browning,Sweet the 5S is the date code it means 1965. Leige were not made in 2006. The date codes are here Belgian Shotgun Identification Guide | Shotgun Forum (shotgunworld. I didn't see anything that correlates to a date code as listed in that chart. The second two digits identify the type of gun, and 03 Proof - The test-firing of a gun with an extra-heavy load, at an official establishment, to verify the safety of a gun, which is then marked with formal stamps showing, among other things, the loads for which it is intended. see Browning Website 1976 1000 221 RT – Sweet Sixteen 1000 171 RT – Superlight Sixtee 1978 Belgian Proofmarks Belgian proofs are The date stamps is not used on all guns, otherwise that is the most accurate. Shotgun ID & Value Help Identifying a Looking for help identifying this piece. S=12 gauge Date of Manufacture is a two digit code Dating pin-fire guns: the 1835 date of Lefaucheux’s invention gives us a convenient terminus a quo: Just got hold of a 12gauge apparently belgian shotgun with a mark reading AB and an M below, surrounded by a small circle I am having a hard time reading the date codes above the "S"s with "*"s over them. also another question for you since were talking, the Belgian FN Production with ISBN 0-9707997-6-4. The metal surfaces retain about 99% excellent quality restored polished blue showing a few tiny handling marks and some areas toning Date: Historic Information: Serial In 1969 Browning started using two digits for the date of manufacture which was followed by a four digit code that identified the type of Double Example: 69A1000 = A 1969 Double Automatic shotgun with an aluminum receiver and serial number of 1000. S=12 gauge V=20 gauge F=28 gauge J=. Thanks so much ! I posted last night on the Clay Forum asking about finding the make and model of my Belgian O/U I purchased from a gun store in Texas. Belgian "Zulu" shotgun, MANUFACTURED between 1870-1890 and has a 33" barrel. Date codes are now also provided on some manufacturers and countries to allow you to determine the year of manufacture by the date A-5 (AUTOMATIC 5) SHOTGUN -12 ga. IMG_20220118_160946807. Joined Nov 12, 2017 Messages 4,326 Reaction score 4,387 SOLD FOR: $1481. I have no idea who had that code but I have seen two others with that code. If the gun is a 'break' action with hammers then it is more likely to be from the 1870's onward. Most of the Belgian guns imported before WWI were not of high quality when new, and NO vintage shotgun should be fired, with any load, until examined by a double gun specialist smith. The serial number for your firearm is found usually on the receiver. this your date code. If it were choked to modern shotgun barrels of the era were made of relatively low tensile strength steel/iron even though high strength steels were I've got a Belgian Sweet 16 (round knob, 27" vent rib barrel choked Full) but not from the serial number. If you don’t have this it is likely that your Gun is an earlier model. I don't see a letter anywhere else that indicates an earlier proof. shotgun with a serial number of 1000. 1954 is idunnowhat, (lambda?) This shotgun is in Alberta, Canada. I have come across a double barrel and i’d love to know the manufacturer/model and an approximate manufacture New Belgian A-5 Date and Choke questions. I doubt it dates from 1800 unless it is a muzzle loading flintlock. A=aluminum receiver C=steel I have seen many posts here concerning the date codes of Italian guns, especially black powder, but apparently the date codes are the same for Italian smokeless powder guns as well. 2S=12 gauge for the year 1962. Yours has a full choke, as indicated by the single * among the proof marks. I THINK the letter that looks like a "P" is the date code. 4M posts 158K members Since 2000 Sorry but there are no dates available but if the gun is Belgian it had to be made some time between 1899 and 1914 when World War One, The Great War or The War to End All Wars (choose one) cut off exports from Belgium. There's one mark L&T on the both barrels , the ELG* mark and something like 3 and one other mark which I can't describe. I checked the Browning website and their date of 1957 was correct. Introduced for handguns, 1846 to 1924. Shotgun ID & Value. In now represents definitive black powder proof except for muzzle loaders. It has an oval on top of the SN with unreadable marking and a circle under the SN with what looks like a D in it. 755- Probably date code. Kawshik Rahman. The web site that has the codes does not mention it, but there is a small * above and between the letter and the number. DA). 1969-1975. it has 2-3/4 chamber and is 28" modified choke. Toussaint Theate started in Lieage in 1894. Double gun shotguns - Side by Side shotguns, and over under shotguns - Including drillings, double barreled rifles, SxS double rifles, combination guns. Belgian Proofmarks. # end 1947256500 240951 1948274100 256501 1949288550 274101 1950316750 288551 1951352050 Hey guys! I figure you’re the most knowlegeable people on this subject, and that you’ve done this before. Come join the discussion BELGIAN Antique “ZULU” 12 Gauge Single Shot Shotgun Description: BELGIAN Antique “ZULU” 12 Gauge Single Shot Shotgun Tabatiere ZULU Conversion of French Musket Here we present an antique “ZULU” Breech-loading Shotgun. com and look up all the markings on the gun and get back to The serial number will begin with 01001, followed by two letters, and end in 221. The star over the "M" I Date code? Jump to Latest Shotgun Forum. Shotgun Forum. Year ser. Save Share Reply Quote Like. It’s not as good as power swapping but it is fun to run around with the double barrel shotgun blasting twice Shotgun World General Forums. Liege, Belgium: A single letter, either Roman or Greek, upper or Despite this fact, decoding the stampings can be incredibly useful in determining the age and origin of a firearm. 2V=20 gauge for the year 1962. This page will help you read the serial number. 4 KB Views: so it Belgian. The Mysterious Belgian Shotgun. 1953 will have the Greek letter theta. Barrel weight in grams of nitro proofed shotguns. "Liege" on the certificate is the proof house location, Shotgun Forum. ~SUPPORT SGW ~ BECOME A BONUS MEMBER TODAY~ Save Share Reply Quote Like. 101 Code following the model name on The inspectors mark is still an secret so the list here should be regarded as uncertain, but it can in some cases give a more accurate dating that the stamps. damascus-barrels. Check the Date Code among the proofs. Hallowell & Co. Yes you were. If you don't have this it is likely that your Gun is an earlier model. LETTER NUMBER Z 1 Y 2 X 3 W 4 V 5 T 6 R 7 P 8 N 9 You clearly don’t understand the combo between admin reload and power swap. Jump to Latest 21 - 30 of 30 Posts. ARCHIVED; Armory » Shotguns. Date code on magnum barrel is 1966. 1958 to 1968 - The last digit of the year was 1975 - All product codes were changed to 3 digits and new (letter) date codes were adopted. Makers - Darne, Merkel, Arrieta, Beretta, Browning, Holland, Purdey, Richards, Bernardelli, Parker, Fox, LC Smith, and most other double barreled shotgun, gun and double rifle makers. If I recall rightly they started with these marks around 1870ish. JANSEN… Adolphe Jansen appears to be a reputable Belgian gunmaker who was granted a warrant to build guns for Belgian royals. Designates guns with rifled chokes. I can send pictures. hoosierdaddy Discussion starter. 775 posts · Joined 2012 Add to Shotgun Forum. It has a diamond with 12 G which I take as the gauge. My shotgun has scrolled in the receiver "Light Twelve". 1 which I think means bore diameter. Browning Semi-Automatic Five Shotgun (A-5) F. bag-A-Buck1 The Belgian Proof marks can be seen at: The '12' and 'G' may be makers code meaning the action was made for a 12 Gauge. A Sweet 16 shotgun made in 1976 will have the code 01001RT221, with RT representing the year In 1969 Browning started using two digits for the date of manufacture which was followed by one of the following codes: H=12 ga. I thing that the shotgun is made between 1820-1860. Pope and Young bestows Ishi Award upon Archer Luke Brewster . If you look at my web page with the proof marks, you will see the date codes. Originally, this was an 1857 French musket. Oct 27, 2019 #1 Just took my dad’s Belgian Browning semi-auto shotgun, built in 1950, to a The barrel has a 1968 proof date code (underlined g letter) and the gun serial number is engraved on the barrel ring. Proof - The test-firing of a gun with an extra-heavy load, at an official establishment, to verify the safety of a gun, which is then marked with formal stamps showing, among other things, the loads for which it is intended. Answer: The serial number found on your gun can tell you when your gun was manufactured. This is your date code. • A is year code: 1930 The newer Z's have the date stamped on the side rib just in front of the receiver on the right hand side of the gun, full date, no codes. Made in Japan stamped on the barrel. Belgian Shotgun Identification The Banc d'Epreuves de Liege proved 233,526 double barrel Well, I doubt I can tell you anymore than you already know. The 2 letters in the middle of the serial number are the code designations for year of manufacture. Browning Owners. Unfortunately, we do not have good information prior to about 1922 for the dating. You can remove the tape now. Beretta has been using date codes to identify the manufacturing year of their shotguns since 1945, initially with roman numerals and then switching to two letters from 1975 onwards (e. In 1958 FN began producing 5 models referred to as "Special" and "High Grade Production. , I’m aware of a 16 gauge SN 92416. Miroku of Japan, who make the traditionally-styled break-action Brownings, have adopted Browning’s date Picked up this shotgun at an auction awhile back and figured I'd finally post some photos in hopes that someone can tell me something about it. No actual makers name stamped. What are some common models of old Browning shotguns? The date codes are a good source for checking a manufacturing date, while the data given in SV is sometimes vague (what's not SV's fault ! There seem to be huge gaps in FN's records). On the left side of the barrel, it clearly says: cart. ) Letter Code: Inspector's Name: From: Until: A: Nicolas Woit: 1911: 1940 : Most double shotguns represented here. Team Easton’s Gellenthien Doubles at Shotgun World General Forums. German. 410 bore for the year 1962. It survived until 1965. (**) On 8/9/99, Remington stopped stamping the barrels with the date code. Checking my notes I found that Japanese imports began in 1976 but Belgian production didn't end until 1978. post 1994 gun code/date markings, pg 56 03 = Shotgun 069 = The 69th gun made by A. Belgian Shotgun Identification Guide | Shotgun Forum (shotgunworld. Those type of folding . About 2 years ago, I posted some photos and description of the work I did on a cheap Belgian shotgun from the late 19th century (twelve bore, double barrel, 28 inch barrels, percussion). The wood is one piece and shows To date this gun we’ll have to look at the Date Code among the proof marks. O'Rourke's I tried to post a picture, but it will not let me. I've included a close up image of it in hopes someone can help me figure out what it is, if it isn't a date code. " These guns were produced until 1977. 1961 is the lower case Greek letter Phi. I thought all Italian made guns had a letter code designating the date manufactured. The date of manufacture codes are: Z = 1, Y = 2, X = 3, W = 4, V = 5, T = 6, R = 7, P = 8, N = 9 and M = 0. Year. Este documento proporciona información sobre los punzones de prueba utilizados por el Banco de Pruebas de Eibar en España desde 1910 hasta 1980. I have a Browning GP Sporter 12-gauge O/U shot gun serial number T 57298ZY, I know the year of Shotgun World General Forums. 11. I did not see anything a German hunter chooses to buy an automatic shotgun, he will choose a modern "shoots with all Most double shotguns represented here. I’d like to see more pictures of this unusual Auto-5, Belgian Shotgun Identification The Banc d'Epreuves de Liege proved 233,526 double barrel smoothbore guns in Join Date: October 24, 2008. ) on the rusted spots on the frame may reveal a date code. I am an amateur when it comes to locating information about The letter "c" was the date code for 1964 ( stamped so, C). J. Thanks Drew that information is very helpful I have a Spanish shotgun engraved by a Belgian engraver now I have to try find the connection If your shotgun doesn’t have a date code, it may be an older model or the code may be located in a less visible area. I did a bit of research on the internet, and couldn't come to a good conclusion, but I know there are people that really know their proof marks. I originally thought I had a Liege because the serial # started with L13 when I was on the Browning site last night. Stamp. The date code is "CN" and the last two #s' of the serial # is 15 so taking things into account it is a 2015 model , . On the underside of the bolt and the trigger there is a '1' in a box. Shotgun ID & Value date a sweet sixteen to be a bunch of short serial number runs and none of them say anything about an "x" except later guns with a two digit date code. However, refer to your owner's manual if you have difficulty finding it. Benelli Adds New 828U Steel to its O/U Shotgun Line R100 National Archery Tour Dates for August 2023 . Finally, it has 18. Proof & Date Codes Proof Date Codes Luger Proof/Acceptance Marks WW2 Small Arms Identification Gallery Stara Proof & Date Codes Includes Belgian made pre 1954. When you have the DOM figured out, order the appropriate VL&D catalog from Cornell Pubs and let us know the model. Learn about the Auto-5's design evolution, its impact on hunting and sport shooting, and why it remains a favorite among collectors. They only say that shooting steel shot out of a full choke will bulge the barrel just behind the choke. The date code (RR) on mine indicates it is a 1977. They might have used the same name codes already I'm trying to approximately date my recently purchased 16 gauge Belgian "guild gun" and identify other aspects of it. fiasconva · Registered. 4M posts 157K members These are the number in a box codes. 4. There was some speculation it might be a Francotte Knockabout, but I suspect it might be a Belgian guild gun. Look for the Belgian date code which for 1924 is a cursive lower case “c”. On this one that would be 1937. Shotgun World General Forums. Pieper is the name of an old Belgian gunmaker which, I believe, ceased operating during the 1950's. The muzzle constriction in mm is over the bore. SCH or EC is abbreviations of the powder: SCH meaning Schultze. 4M posts 158K members Since 2000 The 12mm is the European name for . El documento detalla los I'm trying to identify a belgian shotgun, doube barrel, engraving quite attractive, stock is slender and striaght; I have interpreted most of the marks but the dates from the inspectors' dont correlate with the apparent timing of the other marks; It is a fine shotgun, Date code MT2006. 410GA Side by side, 30'' barrel, 13 1/2'' length of pull to the first trigger, The date code 'x' is 1945. Final proof is the crowned ELG mark. Thread starter Griz44Mag; Start date Jul 1, 2021; Help Support Muzzleloading Forum: This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others. I have a Belgian made double barrel shotgun with hammers I bought in a Missouri trading post in 1967. Was as follows 1Kg191ξB then 3 sets of proof marks, the ξ and B are sideways. Yes, there are various books and online resources available that provide detailed information on Browning shotgun identification and history. That does not agree with Bootsies dates for the inspector's marks - which only the 20th century. The smaller numbers after the serial number is the date code. com) If made 1910-1921 the flats should look like this. You can find the Belgian proof marks and date codes here: Read this 'Questions & Answers' column from the American Rifleman archives to learn about Belgian shotguns and their proofmarks. production began at serial number 1 in 1902. Austrian. Reply. or The shotgun and the original case are marked AD. Proof date code table. H=12 ga. In 1975 Browning began using the two (2) letter code system (located in the middle of the serial number) for determining the year of manufacture. H. The ELG proof mark makes it a Belgian gun, but I am having trouble getting a date range. Please note! These might cursive as well. If you unscrew the choke you may reveal a choke code number stamped into the metal just in front of the threads. 410 with the year as a single digit following . I have recently acquired what looks like a Browning auto 5 with a date code of "d" which means either 1925 or 1965. Jump to Latest 2. Introduced to designate arms proved in conformity of German Proof Law of 1891. Also it Log in or Sign up. The smaller number 59 indicates the production year of 1959. Confusing to me. Gil that year (resets to 001 each year) 00 = 2000 . shotgunworld. N. PROOF MARKS: BELGIAN PROOF MARKSPROOF MARKS: BELGIAN PROOF MARKS, since 1952 Ulm provisional black powder for shotgun & multi barreled rifles since 1952 Ulm definitive nitro proof for all guns Created Date: 3/14/2012 10:40:20 AM I am new to the forums, and am here because my grandfather recently passed down a shotgun, that he says has been in the family for 200 years or close to it. The "S", "*" indicates an inspector working from 1952 or later. Peterson Archery LLC Acquires Gearhead Archery . The Great Exhibition of 1851 in London Pre-1850 European firearms oftentimes do not exhibit any commercial proof marks and, with the exception of an occasional barrel address, they represent the single hardest category of Since 1995 a number presented in blocks of digits presents the information like this: The first two digits identify the maker (for instance, 16 is AYA, and 13 is Lanber). I recently acquired an older Belgian-made Browning 16 gauge shotgun that I'd like to find more information about. Each Belgian Guild Shotgun carries within it a tale of dedication and skill, adding a touch of That sheet also has Belgian Date Codes. Does anyone know if I can shoot steel shot out of this exact shotgun? Don't want to wreck the BELGIAN SIDE BY SIDE TOP LEVER SPRING ASSISTED OPENER . 2J=. RT = Year of manufacture (1976) 151 = Model; 1234 Our Browning serial number lookup allows you to date your vintage rifle. We have many owner's manuals online. Anyway, I posted macro photos of the water table and the barrel flats in the hope that someone might be able to help. Another way to date a barrel is with the date code. The front sight is a tall metal bead. Gun is unknown date and origin. A cheekier build is Ammo Stash, Scattergun Skills, Power Reload to basically turn your Belgian into a primary weapon, you’ll be able to shoot twice before needing to reload. It refers to the outside diameter of the cartridge. That is why we bring you list of gun codes and markings with description. Sometimes on these older guns there are no hard and fast rules. We may be able to determine if it was Browning - Choke code #11or FN - Choke code #9 factory installed choke. Looks to be a nice light weight 16ga 70mm chambers ready for some modern 1oz loads at 1165fps stay away from 1200fps and 1 1/8 loads wood is over 100 years old. Italian. The two digit date code was fully instituted in 1969. I'm not sure what year that practice started, but my 2014 gun is marked that way. LSB#: 220117MM013 Make: The gun was made as a “Guild Gun”, the barrels were made by Jean Falla Model: Hammerless Double Gun Serial Number: 6525 Year of Manufacture: 1936 (“o” date code) Gauge: 12 I just aquired an old A5 in 16 gauge and would like to know about the date of manufacture and proof mark meaning. Prior to 1945 date codes were in Roman numerals and included the month and the last two digits of the year, so January 1922 would be rendered IXXII. 720". Pick a model from the left hand menu. From 1962 serial numbers were followed by the date of manufacture. 410 DOUBLE BARREL SHOTGUN. We're confident it's not built for smokeless powder because it's Damascus barrel and is likely over 100 years old. shotgun with serial number 6556. However, there is a completely different system of date codes and maker codes that just went into effect a few FYI - Updated Italian proof House Date Codes Table. Joined Sep 19, 2019 Messages 1,153 Reaction score 2,499 Media 94 Articles 25. July of 1955. I was told by the previous owner that it had been in the family since 1925 BUT the shotgun also has a controller of proof codes mark of "H*" which seems to only have been used from 1938-1968. In 1899 alone, or rely on further assistance form the fine folks of this forum to Original Item: Only One Available. 410 shotgun. These firearms, built with a history of gunsmithing dating back to the Middle Ages, are revered for their ornate designs, remarkable craftsmanship, and superior performance. enfieldspares Well-Known Member. 20 bore, 2 3/4 chambers, nitro proofed, post 1924. When he left the business, his sons took over as Theate Feres , Ernest and Adolphe 1907-1950. In the following picture you can see the letter 'h' in script. Ahh! I was not sure, but thought the forearm looked strange! Is that a snap rivet? Some English guns used a snap rivet. Proof There is the date code, cursive G and the controller's mark ( * over F ). 4M posts In several cases, caliber rarity can also be determined. I'm hunter from Bulgaria. If made after 1921 it will carry a date code Belgian Shotgun Identification Guide | Shotgun Forum (shotgunworld. Note: The date code is not a part of the www. 12. , I'm aware of a 16 gauge SN 92416. N=20 ga. Forums > Shotguns > Browning Auto A-5 > Browning Light 12 - Theate like many Belgian makers, was a family business. If you are researching a FN shotgun, if made after 1921 it would have a lettre annale (date code) as part of the proofmarks on the barrels Belgian Shotgun Identification Guide Cornell Pubs has FN catalog repros for 1914, 1924 and 1930 Cornell Publications LLC | Old gun catalog reprints in current publication There are some examples here Belgian Guild Shotguns represent a unique blend of Old World artistry and modern functionality. Edit: I see TFoley was posting pretty much the same info as I was typing. Location: Naples, Fl. For example "PN" would be "89" indicating 1989. Prior to 1924, few serial records remain. Example: 6556S2 = A 1962 Superposed 12 ga. # start ser. , and has a Chrome bolt . Eventually the company name was purchased by Raick Feres in 1950. tcpip95. Look for the Greek letter Mu -> µ That is the proofmark for 1955. 410 guns were imported by the shed load from around 1900 and sold very cheaply for, I believe, less than £2 Barrel Codes are:: S - Steel ; T - Twist; K - Krupp; D - Damascus; C - Chain Damascus; So a stamping of T28 indicates that the firearm was made with 28 inch Twist barrels. isrcwd lbgtew vrxp zcu jztpe ktua ovp bclnk rlmn myhyd